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So authenticity, first thing, it's gotta be there.

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What else?

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- Vulnerability, so authenticity leads to vulnerability,

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but you can leave vulnerability out

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if you don't wanna go deep.

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And I would just say that that's one of the most important

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aspects of storytelling is finding those vulnerable bits

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that are actually moments that have shaped you.

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So asking questions like,

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where in your story did things not work out?

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Like I'm hearing a lot of wonderful things,

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but where have you had hardness?

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'Cause there's some gold in there.

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So did you go through a job loss?

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Did you have a breakup?

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Did you have a divorce?

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I mean, everybody has messy parts of their life,

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and those are the parts that hold the redemptive thread.

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And so you have to push to get those.